tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-288097430196262248.post5145404555565506583..comments2024-03-14T22:27:40.481-05:00Comments on <a href="http://www.feinviolins.com">The Violin Shop</a>: Guarnerius del Gesu: Outlier Violin MakerThe Violin Shophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17828233461679065727noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-288097430196262248.post-50325812552505068242013-07-21T18:13:39.538-05:002013-07-21T18:13:39.538-05:00That 'del Gesu' would suddenly deviate fro...That 'del Gesu' would suddenly deviate from creating well formed numbers, making a "badly formed 2" to be later "identified as a 3" is a preposterous theory. I have high resolution scans of every publicly published 'del Gesu' label; none are confusing, except those published without printed text. The eucharistic symbol is not of any significance towards determining authenticity of a ticket. They frequently vary in position and in certain other ways, though these are relatively minor. At times 'del Gesu' even used ink of a reddish hue to print his labels, even if only one dot: example - a violin of 1732, the "Armigaud", recently re-discovered and put back into public view.<br /><br />That nearly every "dealer/expert" refuses to believe that 'del Gesu' could or would change the text of his labels, when in fact nearly ALL other makers did, makes no sense. Three of the finest of the fine bear labels not considered "normal", and there is no good reason at all to believe that they are fakes, or were added later by different hands. These are - "Kriesler", 1733: "Plowden", 1735: "Alard, 1742:<br /><br />That nearly every "dealer/expert", from the Hill firm's beginning to this very day) still refuses to believe that Bartolomeo Giuseppe Guarneri IS NOT 'Guarneri del Gesu' is a travesty of justice and dishonors the greatest name to undertake the noble craft of lutherie. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-288097430196262248.post-18783726367649118982013-07-03T22:37:52.072-05:002013-07-03T22:37:52.072-05:00Since only Bartolomeo Giuseppe is thought to have ...Since only Bartolomeo Giuseppe is thought to have lived until 1744; and since according to its curator, Bruce Carlson, "Il Cannone" dates to 1743, it seems, according to what you write, that Il Cannone could not have been the work of the "real" Guarneri del Gesu.<br /><br />It seems to me that your argument about who ought to be considered the real "del Gesu" is missing a crucial piece of information: when and by whom was this sobriquet first used? I'm not a close student of this subject, but I have always understood that "del Gesu" derived from the use of the IHS Chrisotgram on the labels. If so, and if it shows up on the labels of three individuals, how are we to say which is the real del Gesu? James Louderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052158410861113896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-288097430196262248.post-35752728125240271032013-07-03T22:14:28.032-05:002013-07-03T22:14:28.032-05:00Two small corrections:
According to Bruce Carlso...Two small corrections: <br /><br />According to Bruce Carlson "Il Cannone" is dated 1743, not 1742.<br /><br />The Christogram "IHS" represents the first three letters of the Holy Name of Jesus in Greek: IHSOYS (Latin IESUS). It does not stand for three separate words and should not be written with periods, e.g. I.H.S. Typically the second letter is surmounted by a cross on the bar of the second letter, eta (H). This is supplied by the cruciform ornament at the end of the first line of Guarneri's label.James Louderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052158410861113896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-288097430196262248.post-24984657430919081792012-11-11T12:48:52.882-06:002012-11-11T12:48:52.882-06:00No one can say with autonomy which labels are genu...No one can say with autonomy which labels are genuine and which are not. Examples taken from original instruments vary, obviously because there existed at least 2 (two) liutaros named "Giuseppe" or Joseph Guarneri.<br />Little to nothing is known about the eldest, save three or four violins bearing black letter tickets, reading "Giuseppe Guarnerius fecit Cremona anno 17-- . JHS" -- the one (known to and owned by this writer) being dated 1736. The other, "del Gesu's" (Bartolomeo Giuseppe {1698-1744} mis-appointed by the Hill brothers), labels may or not always read as "Joseph Guarnerius + / fecit Cremone anno 17-- IHS". And finally, the REAL Guarneri del Gesu's labels {1687-1742?} may or not always read as "Joseph Guarnerius + / fecit Cremonae anno 17-- IHS". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-288097430196262248.post-49748776242150396112012-11-02T02:23:46.320-05:002012-11-02T02:23:46.320-05:00I wonder about the spelling on the label as "...I wonder about the spelling on the label as "Cremone."<br />Other labels considered authentic spell it as "Cremonae, the<br />latinized version. I have seen others, almost certainly copies,<br />using "Cremona." Anyone able to shed light these spellings as indicative<br />of authenticity? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-288097430196262248.post-11406826179945402012012-04-14T21:34:53.490-05:002012-04-14T21:34:53.490-05:00Thanks John. I wonder if, in fact, it matters whic...Thanks John. I wonder if, in fact, it matters which of the several candidates was the true Joseph Gunarerius del Gesu. We know him far better by his very distinctive work, rather than by any birth certificate, census or baptismal record.The Violin Shophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17828233461679065727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-288097430196262248.post-8290032168300694862012-04-13T14:43:56.729-05:002012-04-13T14:43:56.729-05:00Sorry to "burst the bubble" folks, but B...Sorry to "burst the bubble" folks, but Bartolomeo Giuseppe Guarnerius is not, was not and never will be the true Joseph Guarneri del Gesu. (He was in fact born 16 Oct. 1687 and died in the year 1742.) Facsimilies of the official Stat di Anime(geneaological) documents concerning this MAJOR case of mistaken identity can be found in a manscript entitled: "LIUTAIO, ANTICI E MODERNI", written by the notable Italian scholar, Signor DI GIOVANNI DE PICCOLELLIS, published 1885-86, in Firenze, Italy. (The manuscript was scanned by GOOGLE and is a free PDF download.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com